1
00:00:03,439 --> 00:00:05,240
In today's episode, artificial

2
00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,879
intelligence in industry: where

3
00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:11,240
to start with what you already have.

4
00:00:11,759 --> 00:00:13,799
Hello, everyone. Once again, welcome

5
00:00:13,799 --> 00:00:17,400
to the XMACNA podcast. I'm

6
00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,320
Gustavo Fechus, once again here with

7
00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,439
my friend Daniel Valladares, whom I

8
00:00:22,439 --> 00:00:26,279
thank for being here with me so we can continue

9
00:00:26,279 --> 00:00:28,560
our discussions about the

10
00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,240
solutions we have nowadays

11
00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,960
developed here for different

12
00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,960
areas. One of them, recently, we’ve

13
00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,120
been working quite a lot in that

14
00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,920
development, related to the industrial

15
00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,800
sector, where we see a

16
00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,920
very broad field for possible

17
00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,840
applications—ways to maximize

18
00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,640
processes that can benefit from

19
00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,079
artificial intelligence as well in this

20
00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:03,359
moment of history, right, Daniel? So, what

21
00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:07,000
I’d like your input here,

22
00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,799
Daniel. Here’s the thing. We most

23
00:01:09,799 --> 00:01:12,640
often hear about

24
00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,159
AI and automation solutions for

25
00:01:17,159 --> 00:01:20,960
solving issues in customer service,

26
00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:27,000
support, sales, and after-sales services,

27
00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,560
basically, you know, the life of a

28
00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,640
SaaS, right? But I’m fully

29
00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,600
convinced and have proof that we

30
00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,520
can also start looking at other

31
00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,399
applications supported by AI that serve

32
00:01:46,399 --> 00:01:49,880
other purposes, other problems,

33
00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,759
right? And we already have real experiences

34
00:01:52,759 --> 00:01:55,040
in this direction too. Tell me

35
00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,640
a bit about where you would like to

36
00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,320
start, so that eventually those who

37
00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,200
listen to us and are experiencing the industry in

38
00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,560
its multiple aspects, right? How can we

39
00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,080
inspire and guide people

40
00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,239
to also look for solutions

41
00:02:12,239 --> 00:02:16,879
with and based on AI for this segment.

42
00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:19,000
>> Perfect. Here we go. One thing that

43
00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,000
I find really curious is that when I

44
00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,239
am talking with someone sometimes,

45
00:02:24,239 --> 00:02:28,200
about various topics,

46
00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:29,879
and the person tells me: "Wow, I have a

47
00:02:29,879 --> 00:02:32,080
problem at my company that is

48
00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,400
like this, like that, then I say: "Look,

49
00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,120
did you know this can be solved with

50
00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,680
AI?" And the person is like, really?

51
00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,519
So, one thing I see is that

52
00:02:40,519 --> 00:02:43,640
when we start thinking

53
00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:47,280
not just as a chat where you go

54
00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,519
there, type a message and wait

55
00:02:49,519 --> 00:02:51,640
for a response, but as we start to see

56
00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:55,000
artificial intelligence as a

57
00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,879
huge brain with an enormous

58
00:02:57,879 --> 00:03:01,519
capacity for processing

59
00:03:01,519 --> 00:03:04,400
data, that will support decision-making,

60
00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,159
and can really

61
00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:09,959
before they become decisions and actions already

62
00:03:09,959 --> 00:03:12,879
by artificial intelligence itself.

63
00:03:12,879 --> 00:03:15,680
Yeah, we're starting to move into a world

64
00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,920
where we're brought into this

65
00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:19,560
artificial intelligence with some

66
00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,080
peripherals

67
00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,720
that are going to give it

68
00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,879
powers and new inputs, new

69
00:03:25,879 --> 00:03:28,560
possibilities to capture

70
00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,159
information, right? So let's

71
00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:35,799
take a look first, before we move into the

72
00:03:35,799 --> 00:03:39,080
industrial environment or any other

73
00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,680
other environment. Think about this: here

74
00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,599
in São Paulo, we have a project

75
00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:45,560
called Smart Sampa, which is a

76
00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,840
project that's been talked about a lot

77
00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,400
in the mainstream media, and I'll use it

78
00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,799
as an example because it's public knowledge

79
00:03:52,799 --> 00:03:55,000
I think it makes things easier.

80
00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,439
But what is Smart Sampa? MSPA is a

81
00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:01,879
series of cameras spread across the

82
00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:05,280
city, right? These cameras are, in a way,

83
00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,159
connected to an artificial intelligence

84
00:04:07,159 --> 00:04:08,599
system that will do things like

85
00:04:08,599 --> 00:04:10,239
facial recognition, that will

86
00:04:10,239 --> 00:04:14,040
identify accidents, and so on. I'll

87
00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,759
even give you an example that happened to

88
00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:20,040
my wife. She was on a highway

89
00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,600
here in São Paulo, coming back home.

90
00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,440
A truck hit the back of her car

91
00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,040
She spun out, right? And shortly after that,

92
00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,320
the support team was already there,

93
00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:31,800
thank God, she's okay, alright, guys?

94
00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,120
So, just to not leave you in suspense,

95
00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,199
while we're talking, everything is fine now.

96
00:04:38,199 --> 00:04:41,199
This was some time ago, but the point is, shortly

97
00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:44,960
after the accident, the support team

98
00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,000
from the highway itself was already at the

99
00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,720
scene to provide her with the assistance she

100
00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,120
needed, check the car, etc., right?

101
00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,280
They towed the car away, removed it

102
00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:56,120
from the middle of the highway.

103
00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,639
Without her having to make a call. Is

104
00:04:57,639 --> 00:04:58,800
that it?

105
00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,280
She didn't have to make a call. The

106
00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:04,680
there was someone who saw it, right, a

107
00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,080
witness who saw it and was calling

108
00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,400
the police, but the support team got there

109
00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,720
before anyone had, you know, not

110
00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,560
necessarily because of that call,

111
00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,440
and they said it's because of their

112
00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,000
control center, which detects

113
00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,160
the camera picked up what happened,

114
00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,800
and immediately dispatched the team to the scene.

115
00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,919
So, imagine this when we

116
00:05:29,919 --> 00:05:32,000
talk about a city, right? Maybe those who are

117
00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,319
watching us, Gustavo, are thinking: 'Oh,

118
00:05:34,319 --> 00:05:37,280
for a city hall with an unlimited

119
00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:40,680
budget, this is simple, right, to

120
00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,759
make an investment on this level.

121
00:05:43,759 --> 00:05:45,800
But, believe it or not, this is

122
00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,560
much closer to us and to

123
00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,000
companies than it seems, right? So today

124
00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,960
we have the ability to have this level

125
00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,080
of information and decision-making

126
00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:02,639
within an industry, for example,

127
00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:04,560
right? As we were even talking

128
00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,440
here before we started. And so, for

129
00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,199
example, if you take a factory that

130
00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:12,240
already has a monitoring system,

131
00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,360
and it already has cameras there, already

132
00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,240
has everything. So, if I connect this

133
00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,080
monitoring to a XMACNA brain, which is

134
00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,280
an artificial intelligence, and tell it

135
00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:25,360
like: 'Look, every time

136
00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,560
someone is without safety equipment,

137
00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,919
signal it, or every time

138
00:06:31,919 --> 00:06:34,720
a certain piece of equipment

139
00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,319
acts a certain way, flag it.'

140
00:06:37,319 --> 00:06:41,120
So today this is possible, right? And

141
00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,400
so, I think that when we talk about

142
00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,919
giant industries, we're

143
00:06:45,919 --> 00:06:48,440
talking about Petrobras, about companies

144
00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,360
with huge structures, oil platforms

145
00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,240
for example. This already

146
00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,680
exists, right? So, they already have

147
00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,039
drone surveillance, in the sense

148
00:07:00,039 --> 00:07:02,599
of checking, right? These days, people don't

149
00:07:02,599 --> 00:07:06,240
rappel down on an oil platform anymore,

150
00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,319
they send a drone to do it.

151
00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:11,360
Do a review there. We

152
00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,560
can now achieve this level of

153
00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,560
intervention in industries of any

154
00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,800
size, right? It's no longer a

155
00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,440
prohibitive investment, it's something that

156
00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,639
is really becoming more and more accessible,

157
00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:30,160
right, Gustavo? And so, where should we

158
00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,240
take the conversation? More in the

159
00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,240
sense of 'think about it.' And you who are

160
00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:38,919
watching, I invite you to

161
00:07:38,919 --> 00:07:40,680
leave in the comments which

162
00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,800
problems you would like to solve there

163
00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,360
in your business, and that you, no matter how

164
00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,159
complicated it seems, most

165
00:07:48,159 --> 00:07:50,759
likely we can find

166
00:07:50,759 --> 00:07:54,159
a solution that works, based on

167
00:07:54,159 --> 00:07:56,479
artificial intelligence, and that doesn't

168
00:07:56,479 --> 00:07:58,479
necessarily, and actually most

169
00:07:58,479 --> 00:08:01,599
likely won't touch your headcount,

170
00:08:01,599 --> 00:08:03,120
right? So no, we're not

171
00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,159
saying 'let's bring in a new team,'

172
00:08:06,159 --> 00:08:08,599
no, sometimes it's a solution that

173
00:08:08,599 --> 00:08:11,159
uses the resources you already have,

174
00:08:11,159 --> 00:08:14,120
adding a 'different brain,'

175
00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,680
and you get a result or a totally

176
00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,319
different behavior that could

177
00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:22,000
transform your operation, right?

178
00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,400
Yeah, and what catches my attention

179
00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:29,120
in what you said, Daniel, is the

180
00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,680
making use of the structure, right? Or

181
00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,120
That is, you gave an example of someone who

182
00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,000
already has a security camera, a

183
00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,000
monitoring system. We can

184
00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,479
work with what already exists

185
00:08:40,479 --> 00:08:43,279
and from there, develop and deliver

186
00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:47,800
more management, more information and,

187
00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,680
even preventive solutions, right?

188
00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:51,839
Preventive action applies to many

189
00:08:51,839 --> 00:08:54,200
processes. I just remembered also about

190
00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,160
another Fale Conosco system that we,

191
00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,640
another project, which is a Fale Conosco that

192
00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,640
we developed for a Fale

193
00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,920
Conosco that already existed. Anyway, it was done

194
00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,839
in a somewhat old-fashioned way, like the

195
00:09:05,839 --> 00:09:08,720
Aztecs and Mayans did in the past with

196
00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,000
their Fale Conosco. And we ended up

197
00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,200
dealing with a new work situation

198
00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,760
that

199
00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,680
absolutely takes into account the existing

200
00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:23,839
personnel structure and staff that already existed and

201
00:09:23,839 --> 00:09:25,959
that keeps existing, but we bring

202
00:09:25,959 --> 00:09:29,519
more operational efficiency. Anyway, the

203
00:09:29,519 --> 00:09:32,320
examples are plenty and the problems are

204
00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,600
also specific, right? So, each one

205
00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,839
who is here with us and listening,

206
00:09:37,839 --> 00:09:41,760
certainly lives a reality and

207
00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,040
even before we get to know it, we

208
00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,079
can confidently say that we

209
00:09:47,079 --> 00:09:49,760
can improve, can always help

210
00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,040
without needing to make a revolution.

211
00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,120
Let's say, it's, problematic, right, from the

212
00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,720
perspective of reuse, of

213
00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,040
using something that's already, familiar, right, to your

214
00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,440
operation. I, uh, I think this aspect,

215
00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,040
Gustavo, is where we need to

216
00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,720
actually focus more, right, which is

217
00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,200
exactly that, man. Sometimes the

218
00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,399
solution to your problem is already there, right, already

219
00:10:17,399 --> 00:10:20,800
already exists in your business. And it's curious

220
00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,000
because many times when people come to me

221
00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,279
here, the person often comes with the idea

222
00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:29,279
of, look, I need to change everything, right? And

223
00:10:29,279 --> 00:10:31,240
actually, it's much less like, look, let's

224
00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,120
change everything and let's take everything you

225
00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,880
have, throw it away and start over. It's

226
00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,839
Much less this than anything else.

227
00:10:38,839 --> 00:10:40,839
It's much more about looking at your structure,

228
00:10:40,839 --> 00:10:44,760
and saying: "Look, this here

229
00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,200
we just need to unplug it

230
00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,360
from socket one and plug it into socket two and it will already be

231
00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,560
working." It's always a much

232
00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:56,600
less drastic change than it actually seems,

233
00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,000
right? There's this thing about needing to change

234
00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,760
everything and not wanting to change anything, right? Both

235
00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,880
things are true, right?

236
00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,120
Exactly. No, and sometimes people think

237
00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,760
like this, I've seen many business owners

238
00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,320
procrastinating, sometimes the

239
00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,480
implementation of AI and so on, precisely because of

240
00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,920
this feeling of, wow, it's important,

241
00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,120
I know it is, I need to do it, but

242
00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,240
I'll have to change so many things that I

243
00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,079
keep putting it off, you know? And in

244
00:11:24,079 --> 00:11:27,000
reality, many times you don't need

245
00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,959
such a drastic change as you

246
00:11:29,959 --> 00:11:33,560
imagine, right? So, sometimes it's a

247
00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:36,760
small adjustment, and everything already flows

248
00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,839
better. So, it's worth it.

249
00:11:39,839 --> 00:11:42,720
And it's also part of it, right, Daniel,

250
00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,639
of our service, of our support,

251
00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:48,360
this consulting aspect, in the sense

252
00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,720
that you don't need to have all the

253
00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,519
ideas, like, let's talk together in the

254
00:11:53,519 --> 00:11:55,920
sense of understanding how things have been

255
00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,000
today. That's very important to us, it's

256
00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,160
part of our process. And from

257
00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,639
there we'll figure out what the

258
00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:04,360
first project is. The solution never

259
00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,800
comes all at once, right? It's not

260
00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,320
magic, it's a process. The process will

261
00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,920
inevitably change, but we

262
00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,639
build this together, even

263
00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:16,680
collectively, right? Exactly.

264
00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:19,279
Well, Daniel, I think our

265
00:12:19,279 --> 00:12:20,959
purpose here of talking a bit about

266
00:12:20,959 --> 00:12:23,440
different solutions for

267
00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,680
different processes as well, in this

268
00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:29,680
industry vertical, after already

269
00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:31,079
having worked a lot and

270
00:12:31,079 --> 00:12:33,519
continuing to work with the

271
00:12:33,519 --> 00:12:35,880
franchises, small and

272
00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,000
medium-sized companies,

273
00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,199
I think it's nice to give a

274
00:12:40,199 --> 00:12:42,079
sense to people of what we

275
00:12:42,079 --> 00:12:44,880
can do together in developing

276
00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,199
absolutely personalized

277
00:12:48,199 --> 00:12:51,800
solutions for endless problems,

278
00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,480
right? I think that's a good summary, isn't it?

279
00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:54,360
No

280
00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,680
That's it, it's a good summary. Now, you don't

281
00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:01,240
need to keep wondering how to do it,

282
00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,480
anyway, I know sometimes people

283
00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,160
watch our videos and say, "Okay,

284
00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,839
but what about my reality?" So,

285
00:13:05,839 --> 00:13:08,079
look, in the link below there will be a

286
00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:10,079
way for you to talk to us. Click

287
00:13:10,079 --> 00:13:11,920
there, schedule a chat with our

288
00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,800
team and we'll help you have the

289
00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,519
most down-to-earth ideas and also the most

290
00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:20,560
creative ones for those who are willing

291
00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:24,600
so we can take your

292
00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,760
operation to different levels. Thank you

293
00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,519
to you for staying with us until

294
00:13:29,519 --> 00:13:32,440
now and help us share this

295
00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,920
content with anyone else who might be

296
00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,160
interested in it. A hug and see you

297
00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,040
next time. Thanks,

